godbole_sanjaya
04-20 10:57 AM
I wud suggest you against your wish.
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TeddyKoochu
01-15 03:01 PM
I thought the same way as you did too. I am no fan of these job shop companies but remember some one will pay the price and face hardships I hope its just those companies not the employees. But the way things are if this gets effective employees can also get into a limbo - which I dont like - like say someone has gone for visa stamping and that gets denied or worst his/her family is still in the US - or something like that. Its true that the employee should try and look for a new job opportunity meeting new regulations but its not easy as it sounds.
More important point to consider is that new rules/regulations the way I understand it were suddenly implemented mid-stream - you cant do that. What if in after some time they apply same regulations to say people on EAD and using AC21 (i am still not clear whether it already applies to EAD we will have to wait for legal experts to comment) ? Or worse yet they come up with new regulations for people who already have their GC's approved ?
cinqsit
In Para 1, I think you have answered your own dilemma. With due respect and regard to all nobody is a fan of consulting companies except for maybe themselves, but many good and well qualified people work for them for various reasons as some of the posters have summarized most important one being the Green card. The current memo is almost like a notice to gradually shut shop for them, it impacts not only the company but the employee and his / her family. If somebody has to return because of a re-definition of "Employer/Employee" then it�s a really bad thing to happen, in this case the ship will sink with all on board.
In Para 2, I believe again you are right, low hanging fruits and easy soft targets are the first to be picked up. I think more enforcement would follow, I think it started with issuing RFE's for end client letters(This is a mandatory requirement now for consulting companies). You are correct in saying that the target audience might be the next level!
The entire memo is disastrous for the entire immigrant community waiting for GC. Worst of are the people who have to file their extensions soon or have to travel.
More important point to consider is that new rules/regulations the way I understand it were suddenly implemented mid-stream - you cant do that. What if in after some time they apply same regulations to say people on EAD and using AC21 (i am still not clear whether it already applies to EAD we will have to wait for legal experts to comment) ? Or worse yet they come up with new regulations for people who already have their GC's approved ?
cinqsit
In Para 1, I think you have answered your own dilemma. With due respect and regard to all nobody is a fan of consulting companies except for maybe themselves, but many good and well qualified people work for them for various reasons as some of the posters have summarized most important one being the Green card. The current memo is almost like a notice to gradually shut shop for them, it impacts not only the company but the employee and his / her family. If somebody has to return because of a re-definition of "Employer/Employee" then it�s a really bad thing to happen, in this case the ship will sink with all on board.
In Para 2, I believe again you are right, low hanging fruits and easy soft targets are the first to be picked up. I think more enforcement would follow, I think it started with issuing RFE's for end client letters(This is a mandatory requirement now for consulting companies). You are correct in saying that the target audience might be the next level!
The entire memo is disastrous for the entire immigrant community waiting for GC. Worst of are the people who have to file their extensions soon or have to travel.
sumitpendharkar
06-28 06:08 PM
Visa Bulletin April 2007
PD for Other workers category was 01 Oct 2001
E. VISA AVAILABILITY DURING THE COMING MONTHS
Employment-based: It is likely that the Employment Third Preference �Other Worker� (EW) category will become unavailable beginning in May.
Both of these issues are the direct result of low annual limits and very heavy demand for numbers, primarily for adjustment of status cases at Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices.
Visa Bulletin for May 2007
PD for Other workers category was U (unavailable)
E. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE �OTHER WORKER� CATEGORY BECOMES �UNAVAILABLE� FOR MAY
The Employment Third Preference �Other Worker� category is expected to reach the annual numerical limit during April. As a result, the category will become �Unavailable� beginning in May and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2007.
Visa Bulletin for June 2007
PD for Other workers category was 01 Oct 2001
D. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE �OTHER WORKER� CATEGORY FOR JUNE
A few �Other Worker� numbers which had been allocated for April were returned unused at the end of the month. As a result, a very small June allocation has been possible, for applicants with priority dates before October 1, 2001. The category will become �Unavailable� once again beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2007.
So the VB does in fact indicate that there is only a "small June allocation" possible.
PD for Other workers category was 01 Oct 2001
E. VISA AVAILABILITY DURING THE COMING MONTHS
Employment-based: It is likely that the Employment Third Preference �Other Worker� (EW) category will become unavailable beginning in May.
Both of these issues are the direct result of low annual limits and very heavy demand for numbers, primarily for adjustment of status cases at Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices.
Visa Bulletin for May 2007
PD for Other workers category was U (unavailable)
E. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE �OTHER WORKER� CATEGORY BECOMES �UNAVAILABLE� FOR MAY
The Employment Third Preference �Other Worker� category is expected to reach the annual numerical limit during April. As a result, the category will become �Unavailable� beginning in May and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2007.
Visa Bulletin for June 2007
PD for Other workers category was 01 Oct 2001
D. EMPLOYMENT THIRD PREFERENCE �OTHER WORKER� CATEGORY FOR JUNE
A few �Other Worker� numbers which had been allocated for April were returned unused at the end of the month. As a result, a very small June allocation has been possible, for applicants with priority dates before October 1, 2001. The category will become �Unavailable� once again beginning in July and will remain so for the remainder of FY-2007.
So the VB does in fact indicate that there is only a "small June allocation" possible.
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texanguy
05-29 12:34 PM
I think as someone said this guy was randomly throwing numbers out there. How come his analysis does not account for remaining 36K EB1 and EB2 ROW applications. Is he suggesting that all EB1 and EB2 ROW are being used up also. Very hard to believe that for 2008 and 2009 with the way the economy is going. Lot of product companies where most of the ROW 485s would likely come from have stopped applying perm since last summer. There is a huge flaw in this analysis and its not as pessimistic as it seems.
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
AFAIK the major movement in the visa bulletin in last 3 months (july,august,sept) is not because of spill over of the EB1->EB2->EB3 form the same country, but using the leftover visas from countries like Nigeria, Fiji, Uruguay where the applicants for EB1 & EB2 are often in less than 3-digit numbers. I am surprised that Mr. Oppenheimer never addressed this spill over in his talk at AILA -where Murthy bulletin claims that this information has came from, or may be Murthy lawyers didnt take all the notes of the meeting?? :)
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
AFAIK the major movement in the visa bulletin in last 3 months (july,august,sept) is not because of spill over of the EB1->EB2->EB3 form the same country, but using the leftover visas from countries like Nigeria, Fiji, Uruguay where the applicants for EB1 & EB2 are often in less than 3-digit numbers. I am surprised that Mr. Oppenheimer never addressed this spill over in his talk at AILA -where Murthy bulletin claims that this information has came from, or may be Murthy lawyers didnt take all the notes of the meeting?? :)
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indio0617
05-11 10:04 AM
nozerd:
I just sent you a PM. Can you check ?
I just sent you a PM. Can you check ?
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09-23 02:21 PM
Sending link to TX chapter now.
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go_guy123
03-17 11:13 AM
such people cut in line in front of us and don't even bother paying money to IV. Why should we give them free advice. If they can spend money buying labor for 20K they can spend hundred dollars and consult a lawyer and ask their question. It is with such mentaility they are brought up with in their country- Currption and getting things done with money. But never paying anyone for a just cause. In my country people contribute only when they fear god in temples, for medical treatment or to astrologers!!
At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.
Good that DOL/USCIS is getting rid of labor selling by voiding after 45 days
( in the final rule that might be raised a bit ...to 90days ...which is justified and reasonable)
At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.
Good that DOL/USCIS is getting rid of labor selling by voiding after 45 days
( in the final rule that might be raised a bit ...to 90days ...which is justified and reasonable)
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eastindia
07-30 03:32 PM
After reading so many cold calling failures, I am yet to see a "success story" of this methodology.
If nobody got "converted" after being approached by a total stranger in a public place, why does BWW/Quixstar/Amway continue to do it.
Perhaps we should ask Q/Teddy to collect this data, analyze it and prove to them the futility of it all. Maybe then they will stop and everybody can shop/work/study in peace. :D
Lot of Amway guys are hiding among us.
There are lot of Amway guys on this thread making fun of Amway because they fear being ridiculed. But in their real lives they are actually doing Amway business and catching other desis in Walmarts.
This explains why I got so many reds and bad comments after starting this thread.
If nobody got "converted" after being approached by a total stranger in a public place, why does BWW/Quixstar/Amway continue to do it.
Perhaps we should ask Q/Teddy to collect this data, analyze it and prove to them the futility of it all. Maybe then they will stop and everybody can shop/work/study in peace. :D
Lot of Amway guys are hiding among us.
There are lot of Amway guys on this thread making fun of Amway because they fear being ridiculed. But in their real lives they are actually doing Amway business and catching other desis in Walmarts.
This explains why I got so many reds and bad comments after starting this thread.
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saileshdude
05-29 01:03 PM
Not just limited to Cognizant and some Big 3s(or 2s now).
Please do not dismiss this as a tunnel vision, its a reality that will develop into a panoramic scam. I know of a guy in India who is sowing seeds of multi-national manager with a Staffing firm(Desi consulting Co) just for this purpose. Worst he has an individual contributor job with some other company that is in collusion with the staffing firm here to prove he works for the company here( I am guessing as a consultant and taxation with a ghost company of US based company in India). I could not get him to spill the beans on how this whole thing is working but he is confident and has sunk a lot of money into it. Strangely, he was disappointed when I told him even with L1A/EB1 it could take 18 to 24 months. Talk about feeling entitled.
Mind you lot of these guys have registered companies in India already to fish for H1 applicants. We close our eyes on this one, it will break the levees and flood the EB immigration. SO never be coy in dismissing this travesty and mother of all scams that is going to follow.
I agree. These so called extraordinary EB1 clowns need to get a taste of waiting and suffering period that many others here. I have no problem with a qualified EB1 candidate getting it but EB1 are for extraordinary ability people who really deserve it.
IT project managers are not the deserving candidate.
Please do not dismiss this as a tunnel vision, its a reality that will develop into a panoramic scam. I know of a guy in India who is sowing seeds of multi-national manager with a Staffing firm(Desi consulting Co) just for this purpose. Worst he has an individual contributor job with some other company that is in collusion with the staffing firm here to prove he works for the company here( I am guessing as a consultant and taxation with a ghost company of US based company in India). I could not get him to spill the beans on how this whole thing is working but he is confident and has sunk a lot of money into it. Strangely, he was disappointed when I told him even with L1A/EB1 it could take 18 to 24 months. Talk about feeling entitled.
Mind you lot of these guys have registered companies in India already to fish for H1 applicants. We close our eyes on this one, it will break the levees and flood the EB immigration. SO never be coy in dismissing this travesty and mother of all scams that is going to follow.
I agree. These so called extraordinary EB1 clowns need to get a taste of waiting and suffering period that many others here. I have no problem with a qualified EB1 candidate getting it but EB1 are for extraordinary ability people who really deserve it.
IT project managers are not the deserving candidate.
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santa123
07-17 01:09 AM
Assuming that the spill overs are effected only in the last (JAS) quarter, there wont be any significant movement for EB2. Until and otherwise the supply is more than demand, EB2 will not move forward significantly.
But I wish EB2 becomes current in the near future. Correct me if i am wrong.
But I wish EB2 becomes current in the near future. Correct me if i am wrong.
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yabadaba
08-04 03:05 PM
seriously...when we are done with our current task of retrogression relief we should modify IV's goals to ensure that loopholes like labor substitution are eliminated.
let us get credible as a citizen effort for fair, reliable and efficient immigration process.
let us get credible as a citizen effort for fair, reliable and efficient immigration process.
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return_to_india
05-19 10:23 PM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India-set-to-counter-Chinas-influence-in-Lanka/articleshow/4553638.cms
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thomachan72
09-17 03:27 PM
[QUOTE=arunmurthy;916610]Cousin of my friend got an email that his card production has been ordered.
He falls in EB3I (PD Aug. 2005). I could not believe it but my friend told me that
EB3I would see significant movement in coming months.
Gus Hang on and tighten your seat belts. We will have a wild ride if he is true.[/QUOTE
Really?? are you sure??
He falls in EB3I (PD Aug. 2005). I could not believe it but my friend told me that
EB3I would see significant movement in coming months.
Gus Hang on and tighten your seat belts. We will have a wild ride if he is true.[/QUOTE
Really?? are you sure??
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mbawa2574
02-16 08:21 AM
Sir, first, not that I will listen to you, but you have no business telling anybody that IV doesn't need them, it's very serious when every disgruntled member decides to speak on others behalf and tell people who disagree with them they need to leave IV
second, do u have a crystal ball that allows you to know my feelings more than I do and put words in my mouth that i didn't say.. when i say that bodyshops participated in creating the disproportionate lines for india and china where do you get an insult or conclude that i want indians and chinese to disappear or that i feel i lack marketable skills..
stick to arguments please instead of these endless fabrications.
Did you not write in your post said that Indians and Chinese are flooding US via bodyshopping. DO read your earlier posts before writing back here.You can speak whatever but no one will listen to your racism and bigotry at least not here. U got problems with these Indians and Chinese go somewhere else and release your bigotry. You never answered my question about rally participation since you have been planted here by some anti-immigrant org for obvious reasons. Members like you are trying to divide IV based on race and there is no place for you here.So again I will say that get out of here if you have problems with race.
second, do u have a crystal ball that allows you to know my feelings more than I do and put words in my mouth that i didn't say.. when i say that bodyshops participated in creating the disproportionate lines for india and china where do you get an insult or conclude that i want indians and chinese to disappear or that i feel i lack marketable skills..
stick to arguments please instead of these endless fabrications.
Did you not write in your post said that Indians and Chinese are flooding US via bodyshopping. DO read your earlier posts before writing back here.You can speak whatever but no one will listen to your racism and bigotry at least not here. U got problems with these Indians and Chinese go somewhere else and release your bigotry. You never answered my question about rally participation since you have been planted here by some anti-immigrant org for obvious reasons. Members like you are trying to divide IV based on race and there is no place for you here.So again I will say that get out of here if you have problems with race.
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AirWaterandGC
05-10 07:13 AM
Does anyone have a comment on this ?
I do have my CA PR. Waiting for US GC, my CA PR clock is ticking. Once I am more than 3 years past in the CA PR card and if I still dont go to CA, I understand that my CA PR may not be renewed. My question is : Is is possible to at least enter CA for the last (during 5th) year of CA PR ? Also is it possible to re-apply for the CA PR once I am say 4 years done in my CA PR life without entering CA ? Gurus , please shed some light.
On another note : I would request no one to make offensive remarks about a great country like Canada. It may not have as many opportunities as US has or be a lot more restricitve in providing licensure to some professionals, but please bear in mind that it has provided respect to some of us by making some of us it PR .... which the great US is still to bestow on us. Even when we have not contributed a single cent to CA or its economy while we have earned/contributed millions to the US / its economy.
I do have my CA PR. Waiting for US GC, my CA PR clock is ticking. Once I am more than 3 years past in the CA PR card and if I still dont go to CA, I understand that my CA PR may not be renewed. My question is : Is is possible to at least enter CA for the last (during 5th) year of CA PR ? Also is it possible to re-apply for the CA PR once I am say 4 years done in my CA PR life without entering CA ? Gurus , please shed some light.
On another note : I would request no one to make offensive remarks about a great country like Canada. It may not have as many opportunities as US has or be a lot more restricitve in providing licensure to some professionals, but please bear in mind that it has provided respect to some of us by making some of us it PR .... which the great US is still to bestow on us. Even when we have not contributed a single cent to CA or its economy while we have earned/contributed millions to the US / its economy.
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sledge_hammer
01-14 02:01 PM
A vrey very valid point!
don't you think. AC21 (the famous Yates Memo) is also a memo. People expect USCIS to follow it though.... :o
don't you think. AC21 (the famous Yates Memo) is also a memo. People expect USCIS to follow it though.... :o
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Marphad
06-08 11:08 AM
employment based is just one part of the immigration thing. If you think EB immigration is important - there will be thousands of opinions from people who will say why other immigration is also important.
Actually as per government's official point of view, EB comes on second priority than FB. Family union always comes on first priority.
Actually as per government's official point of view, EB comes on second priority than FB. Family union always comes on first priority.
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smisachu
06-16 03:58 PM
On the Mark:)
I am waiting in the line as well for GC or to be sent back home and personally, I want everyone to get their GC and don't agree with dilipcr. Kind of off-topic but I made this observation:
IMHO simsachu's reasoning is sound.
Your example is not the same as simsachu's. simsachu assumes there are way more "bad" fish compared to the good one's in the population. Hence you need to catch more fish to come across a "good" one.
You assume the opposite (there are very few bad fish) and hence come to the conclusion that catching more fish would net you more bad fish (but way more "good" fish as well) as well. But given your assumption, it is puzzling why you want to have lesser number of GC's (if indeed that is what you are advocating, I haven't read all the messages in the thread) when you assume there are way more "good" candidates than bad.
I am waiting in the line as well for GC or to be sent back home and personally, I want everyone to get their GC and don't agree with dilipcr. Kind of off-topic but I made this observation:
IMHO simsachu's reasoning is sound.
Your example is not the same as simsachu's. simsachu assumes there are way more "bad" fish compared to the good one's in the population. Hence you need to catch more fish to come across a "good" one.
You assume the opposite (there are very few bad fish) and hence come to the conclusion that catching more fish would net you more bad fish (but way more "good" fish as well) as well. But given your assumption, it is puzzling why you want to have lesser number of GC's (if indeed that is what you are advocating, I haven't read all the messages in the thread) when you assume there are way more "good" candidates than bad.
Googler
02-18 03:17 PM
Neither of us are lawyers and I wouldn't even bother reading what you wrote. All I can say is, why don't you ask your immigration lawyer about this Class Action. Let's see what he says.
This is great -- you won't consider facts and evidence, including the fact that judges themselves are recommending class action in similar cases! Forget about considering, you won't even read a post with a different pov... (makes me wonder why you bother with the forum if even reading a post is too much work.)
My own attorney, as a matter of fact, thinks that a class action makes sense in this instance.
As lazycis points out, his attorney didn't want him to even file an individual WOM, and it turned out his attorney was absolutely wrong. The mass of evidence in WOM cases and the current Mocanu decision shows that lazycis's attorney (and other let us not disturb/question the status quo attorneys) were wrong. I should remind people again that most of our attorneys are not litigators, they are paper filers -- this dichotomy is true in most other practice areas of the law (eg: antitrust) as well.
The reason I care about this is -- if people/attorneys make up their minds without considering the facts/legal precedents, then they will not spot and/or work to figure out the legal arguments that will win the day -- the legal arguments eventually used in the WOM cases did not sprout out on day one, it was an iterative process.
This is great -- you won't consider facts and evidence, including the fact that judges themselves are recommending class action in similar cases! Forget about considering, you won't even read a post with a different pov... (makes me wonder why you bother with the forum if even reading a post is too much work.)
My own attorney, as a matter of fact, thinks that a class action makes sense in this instance.
As lazycis points out, his attorney didn't want him to even file an individual WOM, and it turned out his attorney was absolutely wrong. The mass of evidence in WOM cases and the current Mocanu decision shows that lazycis's attorney (and other let us not disturb/question the status quo attorneys) were wrong. I should remind people again that most of our attorneys are not litigators, they are paper filers -- this dichotomy is true in most other practice areas of the law (eg: antitrust) as well.
The reason I care about this is -- if people/attorneys make up their minds without considering the facts/legal precedents, then they will not spot and/or work to figure out the legal arguments that will win the day -- the legal arguments eventually used in the WOM cases did not sprout out on day one, it was an iterative process.
sainwa
08-17 01:32 PM
has any one thought why did this happened at the same time when he is making a movie about a "Khan in US"?
See the things behind. he made fool of every body , CNN, media, US Immigration, you and me and got a publicity which he could have not gotten by spending millions of dollars in marketing the films.
and guess what? this was for free and he is in headlines in national news paper.
I think he wanted this to happen to get publicity for this upcoming film, now see after this incedent you, me and all of us know about this forthcoming film and will be eager to watch it.
See the things behind. he made fool of every body , CNN, media, US Immigration, you and me and got a publicity which he could have not gotten by spending millions of dollars in marketing the films.
and guess what? this was for free and he is in headlines in national news paper.
I think he wanted this to happen to get publicity for this upcoming film, now see after this incedent you, me and all of us know about this forthcoming film and will be eager to watch it.
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