sertasheep
07-04 12:47 PM
amitjoey, janakp, tikka, macaca, others, please check your email or Private messages for a proposed conf call for some of the key members from IV
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n2b
09-23 11:18 AM
Let me slice & dice your thought!
this is totally lame idea!Why, do you have any brighter idea than this? Until you have one at least this is something to act upon! Though, if you have an idea please post, majority of people on this forum are good listeners and executioners unlike you maybe.
immigration policy is a social and an economic issue..not just economics..At least we are putting something on the table that can take care of one issue in your opinion i.e. the economic issue, pls let the social issue aside at least the way you are putting it, it sounds more like a racist issue!!!
They dont want too many ppl from one country ..that is the reason for 7% quota...why cant you digest that fact...How many times have other members mentioned to folks like you that the people you are talking about are already in this country, unlike you I do not see why would there be any concern around having too many ppl from one country? It seems like only you seem to be scared of a different breed around you!
we can fight injustice if we feel we are being treated in an unfair manner..is this justice to restrict EB categories by country limits and not having such limit for H1Bs or L1s? Why not have same policies across the board if it's right? You might think this is justice because of your racial thoughts!
but this carrot-and stick approach will back fire...I can partially agree to this...we have to make sure this approach does not back fire!
i know many who have bought homes even when they were on H1...In which case you would also know many who haven't bought homes because they are unsure about their greencards! (ps - I am house owner so this one don't really matter to me but I am all up for it.)
you must be really creative to link EB GC and purchasing a house!You are right, the reason we fall in to the EB categories is because of our creativity! why do you fall into EB category anyways?
this is totally lame idea!Why, do you have any brighter idea than this? Until you have one at least this is something to act upon! Though, if you have an idea please post, majority of people on this forum are good listeners and executioners unlike you maybe.
immigration policy is a social and an economic issue..not just economics..At least we are putting something on the table that can take care of one issue in your opinion i.e. the economic issue, pls let the social issue aside at least the way you are putting it, it sounds more like a racist issue!!!
They dont want too many ppl from one country ..that is the reason for 7% quota...why cant you digest that fact...How many times have other members mentioned to folks like you that the people you are talking about are already in this country, unlike you I do not see why would there be any concern around having too many ppl from one country? It seems like only you seem to be scared of a different breed around you!
we can fight injustice if we feel we are being treated in an unfair manner..is this justice to restrict EB categories by country limits and not having such limit for H1Bs or L1s? Why not have same policies across the board if it's right? You might think this is justice because of your racial thoughts!
but this carrot-and stick approach will back fire...I can partially agree to this...we have to make sure this approach does not back fire!
i know many who have bought homes even when they were on H1...In which case you would also know many who haven't bought homes because they are unsure about their greencards! (ps - I am house owner so this one don't really matter to me but I am all up for it.)
you must be really creative to link EB GC and purchasing a house!You are right, the reason we fall in to the EB categories is because of our creativity! why do you fall into EB category anyways?
sriramkalyan
01-13 07:55 PM
My take is BODY SHOPPING is killed.
H1Bs can work at direct employer or as an employee of direct vendor at off site.
No more small consulting firms sending resumes to direct vendors. May be in long term its good for H1Bs.
Mostly Desi consulting firms will get hit. Outsourcing companies like TCS,Infosys are direct vendors to big clients. They will OK ..
H1Bs can work at direct employer or as an employee of direct vendor at off site.
No more small consulting firms sending resumes to direct vendors. May be in long term its good for H1Bs.
Mostly Desi consulting firms will get hit. Outsourcing companies like TCS,Infosys are direct vendors to big clients. They will OK ..
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kalyan
07-21 04:12 PM
If PD moves to last quarter of 2007 within a year, then there would be no candidates (EB2), since all will still be stuck in PERM audits which will take 6-12 more months to clear + I-140 processing time.
So, they move PD dates faster but freeze PERM apps. I am confused:confused: Any insights?
where are they freezing perm Apps. Mine was filed in march and got out in May '08. This was my first LC.
I am glad they cleared in 2 months. I know couple of guys who got out in 2 months for their LC.
There are lot of people who filed after Augst 2007 but not that many as influx when everything is made current.
So, they move PD dates faster but freeze PERM apps. I am confused:confused: Any insights?
where are they freezing perm Apps. Mine was filed in march and got out in May '08. This was my first LC.
I am glad they cleared in 2 months. I know couple of guys who got out in 2 months for their LC.
There are lot of people who filed after Augst 2007 but not that many as influx when everything is made current.
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ramus
07-03 05:16 PM
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Saralayar
03-17 10:33 AM
Asking such things are not correct. Any how labor substitution is not happening much and individuals with real issues like kids going to the final years in school etc., are finaly deciding and trying to take this risk.
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acecupid
07-17 12:03 PM
Is it accurate to say that new way of allocating spill over visas effectively acheive same effect as eliminiating country limits?
I suppose the new way of allocation has similar effect to eliminating country limits within a category i.e. EB1 or EB2 or EB3 but not across the board
I suppose the new way of allocation has similar effect to eliminating country limits within a category i.e. EB1 or EB2 or EB3 but not across the board
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07-03 08:40 PM
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prem_goel
06-12 01:32 AM
Guys, I've heard (and only heard - don't red me now) that Cognizant has its H-1Bs being rejected and I've heard as far as this that some of the people in Cognizant who got green card through EB-1 category have been deported due to investigation after complaints regarding misuse of EB-1 category by these companies.
has anyone else heard the same?
has anyone else heard the same?
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amsgc
12-13 10:40 PM
I advocate talking to policymakers, writing to them, and calling in on any talkshow on the radio/tv - where ever there is an opportunity.
I am not sure if we can challenge the legality of the system. However, I do question the motivation behind this policy. It is morally and ethically wrong and does not make any economic sense. It is probably hurting the economy, if you get my drift. My thought is that it can be adressed by enlightening the very people who put this policy in place - the congressmen/women.
Welcome to the board... we are just analyzing which way to fight is better. Mark is saying lobbying is the only way, some other say exploring to challenge in court worth a try...some say not worth it-forget it. Have your opinion pitch in please.:)
I am not sure if we can challenge the legality of the system. However, I do question the motivation behind this policy. It is morally and ethically wrong and does not make any economic sense. It is probably hurting the economy, if you get my drift. My thought is that it can be adressed by enlightening the very people who put this policy in place - the congressmen/women.
Welcome to the board... we are just analyzing which way to fight is better. Mark is saying lobbying is the only way, some other say exploring to challenge in court worth a try...some say not worth it-forget it. Have your opinion pitch in please.:)
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mallu
02-16 12:14 PM
.......Even if I had said that there is fraud and corruption in India, it would not be considered as a racist comment. Every year Transparency International generates a list of most corrupt nations. Ever wonder why India is on that list. Ever wonder why out of all places only in India US visa officers are instructed to do technical interview for IT visa applicants? You are living in complete denial and trying to play the race card whenever you get an opportunity.
There may be truth in it. But not completely so. There are are lot of well qualified and experienced people. But there may be frauds too.
Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.
Again it is a mixture of all kind of types coming through the consultants.
So, the issue is that there are lot of qualified and experienced people in India that are willing to come to USA to seek better opportunities ( although these says , the students from top universities of India may not want to come here ) and i believe it is not that the consultant companies dump 'all who can walk' into USA. There may be a certain percentage that are 'deficient'.
So, my main point is that , by virtue of larger population, India has larger number of graduates/employable folks. Plus many of them learn English ( if i need to communicate with people in other parts of India, i use English ) , may be with thick accent.
There may be truth in it. But not completely so. There are are lot of well qualified and experienced people. But there may be frauds too.
Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.
Again it is a mixture of all kind of types coming through the consultants.
So, the issue is that there are lot of qualified and experienced people in India that are willing to come to USA to seek better opportunities ( although these says , the students from top universities of India may not want to come here ) and i believe it is not that the consultant companies dump 'all who can walk' into USA. There may be a certain percentage that are 'deficient'.
So, my main point is that , by virtue of larger population, India has larger number of graduates/employable folks. Plus many of them learn English ( if i need to communicate with people in other parts of India, i use English ) , may be with thick accent.
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java_jaggu
06-26 01:24 PM
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Thanks for making me look like an idiot in front of my lawyer and HR, everyone.
Based on RUMORs, I asked my lawyer this question:
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I have a question about July Visa bulletin. If the August bulletin is retrogressed when announced in mid-July, can the USCIS change rules and stop accepting new Adjustment of status petitions in mid-July ? I know that it sounds illogical and that July bulletin's current dates would apply thru July 31st but I am hearing from my professional colleagues that USCIS could change rules and stop accepting new AOS petitions in middle of the month.
And I got this reply :
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Yes, what you raise is quite illogical. The visa bulletin controls which AOS can be filed during the calendar month for which it is published, there is no way for USCIS to stop receiving an AOS application received say on July 16th. AOS is not like an H1B filing, where there is a finite # that must be received by a date certain and then allocated.
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I do not think what you asked was illogical. The only reason I'm saying this is the EB-3 Other Workers Category suddenly became unavailable in the middle of this month, which was quite baffling to say the least. So, even though I agree with what your lawyer says, I don't think we can rule out the possibility of a curve ball being thrown in the middle of July. So may be, you can let your lawyer know that your initial question was based on the EB-3 Other Worker category becoming unavailable in the middle of the month without any warning and if USCIS can legally do something for the categories we are concerned about.
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Thanks for making me look like an idiot in front of my lawyer and HR, everyone.
Based on RUMORs, I asked my lawyer this question:
Quote:
I have a question about July Visa bulletin. If the August bulletin is retrogressed when announced in mid-July, can the USCIS change rules and stop accepting new Adjustment of status petitions in mid-July ? I know that it sounds illogical and that July bulletin's current dates would apply thru July 31st but I am hearing from my professional colleagues that USCIS could change rules and stop accepting new AOS petitions in middle of the month.
And I got this reply :
Quote:
Yes, what you raise is quite illogical. The visa bulletin controls which AOS can be filed during the calendar month for which it is published, there is no way for USCIS to stop receiving an AOS application received say on July 16th. AOS is not like an H1B filing, where there is a finite # that must be received by a date certain and then allocated.
Reply With Quote
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I do not think what you asked was illogical. The only reason I'm saying this is the EB-3 Other Workers Category suddenly became unavailable in the middle of this month, which was quite baffling to say the least. So, even though I agree with what your lawyer says, I don't think we can rule out the possibility of a curve ball being thrown in the middle of July. So may be, you can let your lawyer know that your initial question was based on the EB-3 Other Worker category becoming unavailable in the middle of the month without any warning and if USCIS can legally do something for the categories we are concerned about.
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grupak
12-14 05:05 PM
Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
Country quota for family based immigration prevents giving any nationality a head start in cornering all the GC for themselves. And country quota to promote diversity makes sense because the basis of GC is family ties.
Employment based GC is based on employer filing for GC. Skilled people can come from all over the globe. The basis is skill. Even without a country quota, a small country with educated and skilled workers are not at any disadvantage compared to a large country with poorly trained workers. So, I do not understand your argument how the BIG countries are going to monopolize employment based GC. No nationality has a birth claim on skill. We are here because of our skills not our nationality.
Let us not repeat the arguments of anti-immigrant restrictionist groups like PG.
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
Country quota for family based immigration prevents giving any nationality a head start in cornering all the GC for themselves. And country quota to promote diversity makes sense because the basis of GC is family ties.
Employment based GC is based on employer filing for GC. Skilled people can come from all over the globe. The basis is skill. Even without a country quota, a small country with educated and skilled workers are not at any disadvantage compared to a large country with poorly trained workers. So, I do not understand your argument how the BIG countries are going to monopolize employment based GC. No nationality has a birth claim on skill. We are here because of our skills not our nationality.
Let us not repeat the arguments of anti-immigrant restrictionist groups like PG.
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ujjwal_p
05-11 09:07 PM
For me it is personal, my kith and kin are getting killed (talking about innocent civilians and not the LTTE) in Sri Lanka and India is actively supporting the Govt of Sri Lanka with weapons and other things,
Get your facts right first. India is not actively supporting Sri Lanka. It would be suicidal for India (especially considering nutcases like you that exist) to even think of that again. Sri Lanka is using Israeli UAV's and Chinese fighter aircraft and artillery to fight the LTTE. In fact, India is at a strategic disadvantage now because we choose not to help Sri Lanka militarily. And in fact, Sri Lanka has always suspected India of supporting the LTTE. Read about the "string of pearls" geopolitical strategy of China before letting your emotions run crazy.
India can leverage its power to stop Sri Lanka to fight until Tamil civilians are cleared from the war zone but deliberately India is not doing that.
India rightfully doesn't care about the LTTE. LTTE is a terrorist organization. Period. They killed a former Prime Minister and it doesn't matter if you support the Congress party or the BJP. This is beyond politics and concerns the nation. The primary humanitarian issue in the conflict so far has been with Mullattivu. As soon as that stage started, Shiv Shankar Menon, the Indian Foreign Secretary went and conveyed India's concerns to the President and other higher officials in Colombo. You tell me what India should do. Should we send the IPKF again maybe? Let's get realistic.
I abide by the constitution of India but at the same time I cannot be silent when the country leadership is pursuing a wrong policy, that I wouldn't have protested if India never involved in the issue ever but India used to be actively involved in the issue and has stake in it.
Fine, I don't agree with my government all the time. But I don't say I'm ashamed of my country like you did. In this situation, India does not have any control unless we want to go to war with Lanka. And the LTTE is a terrorist organization declared by the USA. So now genius you tell me,what should we have done.
In my case, I came here to study and got an opportunity to work and decided that US is the best place for my career and applied for GC, eventually I might apply for citizenship but with this issue I have another strong reason to pursue my GC.
Awesome. Good for you. India won't miss you either. And I can tell you right now, you are the kind of a person who will not have any loyalties anywhere but to a very small narrow race or culture. You do not understand the definition of a pluarlistic democracy and will never assimilate anywhere. The day the US says something about the Lankan conflict or any other conflict which you disagree with you'll bolt to Canada. I guarantee that. It doesn't matter to me what you do but don't go around misleading people here by casting aspersions on what India or for that matter any country can do in a complex geopolitical situation. You don't know half of it and you better grow up and admit it.
Just for argument sake, If one believes that their country of birth is pursuing a wrong policy, they can choose to move to a different country rather than living there and blaming it at every opportunity . What is wrong with it?
History is full of so many examples
Jews from Nazi Germany
Oppressed from communist soviet union
Cubans from Fidel Castro regime
Sikhs from India
and so on and so forth
If you or some one is curious, just to introduce me. I'm member of IV from Feb 2006, I participated in all the IV initiatives, besides check my entire forum history to see any where i had showed dissent towards India or for that matter any thing desperate except for free riders in the forum. This is issue is personal to me and I have strong opinion on this.
FYI, I am not Tamilian but I have lived in Tamil Nadu for more than 10 years and can speak it fluently. Needless to say, I have a lot of Tamilian friends and know the culture. I understand the suffering that the Sri Lankan tamils are going through, especially in the Mullattivu region. But we have to understand this is a war which has been going on for decades now. What do you expect to happen in a war? Rave parties?
Anyway hopefully, this will mark the end of the sufferring of both Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese from now on. Both sides in that country have gone through enough already.
Also I give a rats a** how long you've been in IV. It's your attitude and narrow minded selfishness which tell the whole story for everybody to see.
Get your facts right first. India is not actively supporting Sri Lanka. It would be suicidal for India (especially considering nutcases like you that exist) to even think of that again. Sri Lanka is using Israeli UAV's and Chinese fighter aircraft and artillery to fight the LTTE. In fact, India is at a strategic disadvantage now because we choose not to help Sri Lanka militarily. And in fact, Sri Lanka has always suspected India of supporting the LTTE. Read about the "string of pearls" geopolitical strategy of China before letting your emotions run crazy.
India can leverage its power to stop Sri Lanka to fight until Tamil civilians are cleared from the war zone but deliberately India is not doing that.
India rightfully doesn't care about the LTTE. LTTE is a terrorist organization. Period. They killed a former Prime Minister and it doesn't matter if you support the Congress party or the BJP. This is beyond politics and concerns the nation. The primary humanitarian issue in the conflict so far has been with Mullattivu. As soon as that stage started, Shiv Shankar Menon, the Indian Foreign Secretary went and conveyed India's concerns to the President and other higher officials in Colombo. You tell me what India should do. Should we send the IPKF again maybe? Let's get realistic.
I abide by the constitution of India but at the same time I cannot be silent when the country leadership is pursuing a wrong policy, that I wouldn't have protested if India never involved in the issue ever but India used to be actively involved in the issue and has stake in it.
Fine, I don't agree with my government all the time. But I don't say I'm ashamed of my country like you did. In this situation, India does not have any control unless we want to go to war with Lanka. And the LTTE is a terrorist organization declared by the USA. So now genius you tell me,what should we have done.
In my case, I came here to study and got an opportunity to work and decided that US is the best place for my career and applied for GC, eventually I might apply for citizenship but with this issue I have another strong reason to pursue my GC.
Awesome. Good for you. India won't miss you either. And I can tell you right now, you are the kind of a person who will not have any loyalties anywhere but to a very small narrow race or culture. You do not understand the definition of a pluarlistic democracy and will never assimilate anywhere. The day the US says something about the Lankan conflict or any other conflict which you disagree with you'll bolt to Canada. I guarantee that. It doesn't matter to me what you do but don't go around misleading people here by casting aspersions on what India or for that matter any country can do in a complex geopolitical situation. You don't know half of it and you better grow up and admit it.
Just for argument sake, If one believes that their country of birth is pursuing a wrong policy, they can choose to move to a different country rather than living there and blaming it at every opportunity . What is wrong with it?
History is full of so many examples
Jews from Nazi Germany
Oppressed from communist soviet union
Cubans from Fidel Castro regime
Sikhs from India
and so on and so forth
If you or some one is curious, just to introduce me. I'm member of IV from Feb 2006, I participated in all the IV initiatives, besides check my entire forum history to see any where i had showed dissent towards India or for that matter any thing desperate except for free riders in the forum. This is issue is personal to me and I have strong opinion on this.
FYI, I am not Tamilian but I have lived in Tamil Nadu for more than 10 years and can speak it fluently. Needless to say, I have a lot of Tamilian friends and know the culture. I understand the suffering that the Sri Lankan tamils are going through, especially in the Mullattivu region. But we have to understand this is a war which has been going on for decades now. What do you expect to happen in a war? Rave parties?
Anyway hopefully, this will mark the end of the sufferring of both Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese from now on. Both sides in that country have gone through enough already.
Also I give a rats a** how long you've been in IV. It's your attitude and narrow minded selfishness which tell the whole story for everybody to see.
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deepakjain
01-22 11:18 AM
The solution for this is to talk to USCIS thro IV or AILA or both. If that will not work then lawsuit will be the option if USCIS violated any law. If that also fails then legistrative option to realx the rules. If first option does not work then others are long shot. If nothing works then do not join bodyshoppers.
At Chicago POE, immi officer took my passport and 797 [entire bunch of papers] called up my HR Manager and after speaking to my HR manager gave me I-94 until 1st April 2012 [date on my 797].
Note: Please have off hrs contact/Cell number of your HR manager and your manager
Regards,
Deepak
At Chicago POE, immi officer took my passport and 797 [entire bunch of papers] called up my HR Manager and after speaking to my HR manager gave me I-94 until 1st April 2012 [date on my 797].
Note: Please have off hrs contact/Cell number of your HR manager and your manager
Regards,
Deepak
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mbawa2574
02-15 06:49 PM
No. I can't understand fairshot and equality when major bodyshops from a certain nationality flood the market here with people from that certain nationality, u keep ignoring that and coming back to the stupid suggestion that it's only because u have more talent
suit urself, anyone who argues with you reasonably, tell them they are wrong and make assumptions about their motives and insult and alienate more members of your organization
good luck
Reality is that you don't want to see Indians and Chinese around you. I am sure IV does not need people like you. IV does not promote nationality and we are against all the bad pracitices of the body shoppers but we don't want someone to label Indians and Chinese in this country product of bodyshopping immigration.
Most of the population are well educated , skilled professionals and labelling them that they are flooding the market is insulting. If you think that you don't have marketable skills and is difficult for you to play due to Indians and Chinese, please feel free not to come back to this website. There are many Anti-Chinese and Anti-India blogs for your agenda. I am not sure whose side you are on and who has planted you here.
suit urself, anyone who argues with you reasonably, tell them they are wrong and make assumptions about their motives and insult and alienate more members of your organization
good luck
Reality is that you don't want to see Indians and Chinese around you. I am sure IV does not need people like you. IV does not promote nationality and we are against all the bad pracitices of the body shoppers but we don't want someone to label Indians and Chinese in this country product of bodyshopping immigration.
Most of the population are well educated , skilled professionals and labelling them that they are flooding the market is insulting. If you think that you don't have marketable skills and is difficult for you to play due to Indians and Chinese, please feel free not to come back to this website. There are many Anti-Chinese and Anti-India blogs for your agenda. I am not sure whose side you are on and who has planted you here.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 01:23 PM
Let us all promise ourselves that we will not get personal with each other. No abusive, foul language.
We can disagree with each other but we have to watch our tone and not engage in personal attacks.
Oh God AmitJoye. Your sense of honour and right and worng was missed at least by me. Have you seen the posts here by all the esteemed senior members and donors of IV. And to top it all they are now asking me to explain my ideas (Prove my intention) but i see no proof of intention from them
I fear that you really need a moderator to kill all abusive comments because they are doing more harm to IV and IV needs all teh new members it can get. An organisation like this needs new intake of fresh blood to keep running. I am surprised no one from core or admin has admonished the abusers. I had hoped they would be prevented from shooting themselves in the foot.
PS on a side note i am now up to Minus 3000. That must a be a record. Sad day for everyone here on IV including me
We can disagree with each other but we have to watch our tone and not engage in personal attacks.
Oh God AmitJoye. Your sense of honour and right and worng was missed at least by me. Have you seen the posts here by all the esteemed senior members and donors of IV. And to top it all they are now asking me to explain my ideas (Prove my intention) but i see no proof of intention from them
I fear that you really need a moderator to kill all abusive comments because they are doing more harm to IV and IV needs all teh new members it can get. An organisation like this needs new intake of fresh blood to keep running. I am surprised no one from core or admin has admonished the abusers. I had hoped they would be prevented from shooting themselves in the foot.
PS on a side note i am now up to Minus 3000. That must a be a record. Sad day for everyone here on IV including me
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gc_lover
06-27 03:43 PM
I am sorry to say that all EB-3 and EB-2 dates have gone back to 2001. Please check DOS site.
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iviviv
10-09 01:14 PM
Been contemplating Australian or Canadian migration to get around the retrogresion issue. Are there any former H-1Bs out there who got Canadian citizenship and then applied for US green cards? Please describe your experiences.
How about any Australan nationals who obtained Australian nationality and then
obtained US green cards?
Please describe your experiences- both good and bad.
How about any Australan nationals who obtained Australian nationality and then
obtained US green cards?
Please describe your experiences- both good and bad.
jayleno
07-28 10:41 AM
I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
krishmunn
07-27 10:43 AM
Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
If you are making millions with Amway, why are you sitting with a EB-3 PD ? Go for EB-5 :)
From Wiki "more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month."
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
If you are making millions with Amway, why are you sitting with a EB-3 PD ? Go for EB-5 :)
From Wiki "more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month."
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